Malcolm Fraser argues that Australia should pursue an independent foreign policy so that it does not get dragged into unwanted wars between, for example, China and Japan. I found this discussion (with Robert Manne) fascinating. US military installations at Pine Gap and in Darwin are portrayed as a chain around our neck. ANZUS ineffective. And finally a return to the “populate or perish” ideas of 1945. Now we would need a population of 45 million to be a viable independent country. Fascinating discussion.