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	<title>Comments on: Malcolm Turnbull&#8217;s defense of the CPRS better than Rudd&#8217;s</title>
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		<title>By: Gillard on climate change &#171; Harry Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillard on climate change &#171; Harry Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The case for reform has weakened but it has remained a mile stronger than support for other reforms such as the GST and tariff reform.  Support has weakened since 2007 partly because Australian politicians have displayed ambivalence on this issue &#8211; the most coherent declaration of pollie support for an ETS came from Malcolm Turnbull after he was replaced as leader of the Coalition.   This statement coherently argued the case for an ETS. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The case for reform has weakened but it has remained a mile stronger than support for other reforms such as the GST and tariff reform.  Support has weakened since 2007 partly because Australian politicians have displayed ambivalence on this issue &#8211; the most coherent declaration of pollie support for an ETS came from Malcolm Turnbull after he was replaced as leader of the Coalition.   This statement coherently argued the case for an ETS. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hc</title>
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		<dc:creator>hc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuel, I quote you directly:

&quot;In theory an emissions trading scheme can provide a sound market-based means of capping carbon emissions. But a &lt;b&gt;necessary condition&lt;/b&gt; is for a world-wide trading scheme. It is clear that there is no such scheme. And it is clear that there is no possibility of such over the next decade.

Under these circumstances, for Australia to introduce a perfect ETS would be silly. But to pass the amended CPRS would be lunacy. It would be considerably superior to introduce an appropriate carbon tax, which would be more efficient and less prone to corruption and rent seeking. The dead weight cost of the CPRS is magnified with relatively low emissions reductions targets – the community bears this cost. It does not deliver least cost abatement – more likely it delivers maximum cost abatement&quot;.

This is wrong. It isn&#039;t a necessary condition at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel, I quote you directly:</p>
<p>&#8220;In theory an emissions trading scheme can provide a sound market-based means of capping carbon emissions. But a <b>necessary condition</b> is for a world-wide trading scheme. It is clear that there is no such scheme. And it is clear that there is no possibility of such over the next decade.</p>
<p>Under these circumstances, for Australia to introduce a perfect ETS would be silly. But to pass the amended CPRS would be lunacy. It would be considerably superior to introduce an appropriate carbon tax, which would be more efficient and less prone to corruption and rent seeking. The dead weight cost of the CPRS is magnified with relatively low emissions reductions targets – the community bears this cost. It does not deliver least cost abatement – more likely it delivers maximum cost abatement&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is wrong. It isn&#8217;t a necessary condition at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry - you obviously haven&#039;t read my blog properly. I never said that a CPRS (ETS) cannot be implemented by a single country. I said it was unwise and that a necessary condition for an ETS to be efficient (cost effective and with efficacy) was for a world trading system. Since there isn&#039;t an agreement - and unlikely to be - then it is suboptimal and a straight carbon tax would be superior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry &#8211; you obviously haven&#8217;t read my blog properly. I never said that a CPRS (ETS) cannot be implemented by a single country. I said it was unwise and that a necessary condition for an ETS to be efficient (cost effective and with efficacy) was for a world trading system. Since there isn&#8217;t an agreement &#8211; and unlikely to be &#8211; then it is suboptimal and a straight carbon tax would be superior.</p>
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		<title>By: Ros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if it is only 10 million of taxpayers money it is OK? The rain making funding provided to his mates, (decided just before caretaker period though granted during, so OK), was a good demonstration of  Malcolm’s ready understanding of science and probity. And how not to get sucked into picking technologies and winners. Or was that debacle plus his singlehanded driving of the Godwin disaster just naivety, I am being kind. He can never be Leader of the Coalition again, and I doubt very much that Malcolm would have any ambition to be an invisible independent.

Still he has provided some laughs. This must have been priceless,
“the National Water Commission, which insisted on a presentation of the technology for local physicists. 
The Rain Corporation presented research documents written in Russian, explained by a Russian researcher who spoke to local experts in Russian.
&quot;It&#039;s kind of difficult, because he didn&#039;t speak English or understand English, so we didn&#039;t get a lot of information there, and as I said, such written information as they had was all in Russian. So couldn&#039;t get anything out of that,&quot; Professor Fletcher said.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if it is only 10 million of taxpayers money it is OK? The rain making funding provided to his mates, (decided just before caretaker period though granted during, so OK), was a good demonstration of  Malcolm’s ready understanding of science and probity. And how not to get sucked into picking technologies and winners. Or was that debacle plus his singlehanded driving of the Godwin disaster just naivety, I am being kind. He can never be Leader of the Coalition again, and I doubt very much that Malcolm would have any ambition to be an invisible independent.</p>
<p>Still he has provided some laughs. This must have been priceless,<br />
“the National Water Commission, which insisted on a presentation of the technology for local physicists.<br />
The Rain Corporation presented research documents written in Russian, explained by a Russian researcher who spoke to local experts in Russian.<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s kind of difficult, because he didn&#8217;t speak English or understand English, so we didn&#8217;t get a lot of information there, and as I said, such written information as they had was all in Russian. So couldn&#8217;t get anything out of that,&#8221; Professor Fletcher said.”</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much ado about nothing it seems-
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/emissions-could-rise-under-ets/story-e6frfku0-1225828024758
Just boils down to who do you trust to keep the tax grab the smallest perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much ado about nothing it seems-<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/emissions-could-rise-under-ets/story-e6frfku0-1225828024758" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/emissions-could-rise-under-ets/story-e6frfku0-1225828024758</a><br />
Just boils down to who do you trust to keep the tax grab the smallest perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: MAGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;by a populist clown who stands for nothing of consequence.&quot;

If you read his book &quot;Battlelines&quot; you will see that your comment could not be further from the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;by a populist clown who stands for nothing of consequence.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you read his book &#8220;Battlelines&#8221; you will see that your comment could not be further from the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Turnbull quite reasonable too -- far better and more reasonable than Abbott (on almost everything as far as I can tell). It&#039;s also hard to see how the Libs are going to get decent people if they keep on chucking those they have out (where are they going to be in 10 years from now?) -- it seems to me their main appeal now is to fools, and god help us if we end up with Barnaby Joyce as treasurer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Turnbull quite reasonable too &#8212; far better and more reasonable than Abbott (on almost everything as far as I can tell). It&#8217;s also hard to see how the Libs are going to get decent people if they keep on chucking those they have out (where are they going to be in 10 years from now?) &#8212; it seems to me their main appeal now is to fools, and god help us if we end up with Barnaby Joyce as treasurer.</p>
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