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	<title>Comments on: Daft proposals for Melbourne&#8217;s transport woes</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Battye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Battye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion it seems that the best way to improve our roads and public transport systems is to improve the services offered by these systems to encourage more people to use it. Right now it doesn&#039;t seem that beneficial to build another road to move traffic in and around the city; and even if they do build more roads the majority of them are built for TODAY and not 10 years from now. Example: The Ring Road.

The money spent on a useless road could be better spent on useful new trains for Melbourne&#039;s rail network, and better infrastucture on that network (South Morang extension, dual-line to Hurstbridge, etc.) to make the network much more appealing for people instead of using their cars to get to the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion it seems that the best way to improve our roads and public transport systems is to improve the services offered by these systems to encourage more people to use it. Right now it doesn&#8217;t seem that beneficial to build another road to move traffic in and around the city; and even if they do build more roads the majority of them are built for TODAY and not 10 years from now. Example: The Ring Road.</p>
<p>The money spent on a useless road could be better spent on useful new trains for Melbourne&#8217;s rail network, and better infrastucture on that network (South Morang extension, dual-line to Hurstbridge, etc.) to make the network much more appealing for people instead of using their cars to get to the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To be specific suppose your wife is pregnant, her waters have broken and you urgently need to get her to hospital.&quot;

You and your wife can always, under the Currie proposal, go by bus and walk to the hospital from the bus stop.

The ignorance of, and hostility to, pricing as a means of sorting high from low value use - of anything - knows no bounds, whether it be congestion, carbon or coconuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To be specific suppose your wife is pregnant, her waters have broken and you urgently need to get her to hospital.&#8221;</p>
<p>You and your wife can always, under the Currie proposal, go by bus and walk to the hospital from the bus stop.</p>
<p>The ignorance of, and hostility to, pricing as a means of sorting high from low value use &#8211; of anything &#8211; knows no bounds, whether it be congestion, carbon or coconuts.</p>
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		<title>By: hc</title>
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		<dc:creator>hc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The London and Stockholm experiences have been favourable.  

Be careful - the objective is not to stop car travel - it is to eliminate wasteful congestion and to facilitate getting a parking spot at low cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The London and Stockholm experiences have been favourable.  </p>
<p>Be careful &#8211; the objective is not to stop car travel &#8211; it is to eliminate wasteful congestion and to facilitate getting a parking spot at low cost.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is for the general public, it would be nice to have an example where congestion pricing works. E.g., &quot;In country XXX, for example, congestion pricing reduced the average journey time for the same distance by YYY&quot;

If it&#039;s not for a general audience, I don&#039;t see why (1) getting rid of on street parking wouldn&#039;t reduce congestion -- surely  that would (for everyone involved), and (2) I imagine that slow speeds in shopping centres is fairly neutral (a bit like schools zones; and (3) not building more roads is probably true if you consider the opportunity cost (e.g., building some more train tracks instead).  
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With a more complicated version of pricing it would be handy to know how many more cars could be on the streets before we would end up in the same situation. It would also be handy to know to what prices you would need to stop congestion -- maybe people pretty inelastic to this and basically drive until congestion makes it take much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is for the general public, it would be nice to have an example where congestion pricing works. E.g., &#8220;In country XXX, for example, congestion pricing reduced the average journey time for the same distance by YYY&#8221;</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not for a general audience, I don&#8217;t see why (1) getting rid of on street parking wouldn&#8217;t reduce congestion &#8212; surely  that would (for everyone involved), and (2) I imagine that slow speeds in shopping centres is fairly neutral (a bit like schools zones; and (3) not building more roads is probably true if you consider the opportunity cost (e.g., building some more train tracks instead).<br />
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With a more complicated version of pricing it would be handy to know how many more cars could be on the streets before we would end up in the same situation. It would also be handy to know to what prices you would need to stop congestion &#8212; maybe people pretty inelastic to this and basically drive until congestion makes it take much longer.</p>
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