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	<title>Comments on: Silly remarks on climate change by John Carroll</title>
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		<title>By: Pest Control Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.harryrclarke.com/2010/01/29/silly-remarks-on-climate-change-by-john-carroll/comment-page-1/#comment-12756</link>
		<dc:creator>Pest Control Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pray you keep on writing because I really like to view your stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray you keep on writing because I really like to view your stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: health quote</title>
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		<dc:creator>health quote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt you will find a scientist that will state that the climate in general has warmed from the little ice age. You will find many scientists who say that Phil Jones wrt Chapter 9 is a crock. Btw, was that one of the chapters written by the beer-reviewed (sic) WLF? In so many words the conclusions of the IPCC and the statements about the quality of their data have been shown to deserve an &quot;F&quot; at a jr. high science fair. The manipulation of editorial judgment borders on the criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt you will find a scientist that will state that the climate in general has warmed from the little ice age. You will find many scientists who say that Phil Jones wrt Chapter 9 is a crock. Btw, was that one of the chapters written by the beer-reviewed (sic) WLF? In so many words the conclusions of the IPCC and the statements about the quality of their data have been shown to deserve an &#8220;F&#8221; at a jr. high science fair. The manipulation of editorial judgment borders on the criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slatts has a roundup on the latest shennigans from the political hacks at the IPCC- http://www.slattsnews.observationdeck.org/?p=4127
Even the hardcore lefty media echo chambers can&#039;t ignore the obvious any longer.

Meanwhile the nanny staters in Canberra, under the guise of green politics are up to the usual-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/homes-forced-into-energy-audits/story-e6frea83-1225827464627
Typical Keynesians wanting to dig holes and fill them in again with our taxes, or in this case training up thousands of green assessors and then mandating make-work programs for them. Have a decko at the way the comments are running and imagine the ones they couldn&#039;t print. Keep it up Kev and Co and you&#039;ll be oncers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slatts has a roundup on the latest shennigans from the political hacks at the IPCC- <a href="http://www.slattsnews.observationdeck.org/?p=4127" rel="nofollow">http://www.slattsnews.observationdeck.org/?p=4127</a><br />
Even the hardcore lefty media echo chambers can&#8217;t ignore the obvious any longer.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the nanny staters in Canberra, under the guise of green politics are up to the usual-<br />
<a href="http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/homes-forced-into-energy-audits/story-e6frea83-1225827464627" rel="nofollow">http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/homes-forced-into-energy-audits/story-e6frea83-1225827464627</a><br />
Typical Keynesians wanting to dig holes and fill them in again with our taxes, or in this case training up thousands of green assessors and then mandating make-work programs for them. Have a decko at the way the comments are running and imagine the ones they couldn&#8217;t print. Keep it up Kev and Co and you&#8217;ll be oncers.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Streuth Harry, where to start, but here&#039;s as good a place as any-
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/5749853/the-global-warming-guerrillas.thtml
Simply put, the AGW theory boys have been cooking the books and indulging in political advocacy with a whole bunch of the usual suspects and they&#039;ve been caught red handed at it. They were more than happy to ride the political wave with stage managed carpet-baggers like the Goracle but now the MSM have dumped on them they&#039;re crying foul. They were only thinking of the kiddies&#039; futures and you know how it is folks?

With the shaft of that hockey stick broken (that &#039;travesty&#039; they couldn&#039;t explain so they hid the proxy decline) the notion that CO2 = warming is just an interesting theory and well umm...err..we might have missed the &#039;soot factor&#039; with those Himalayan glaciers folks. Fancy that think Mackintyre and McKitrick? Oh but it&#039;s just a matter of simple science say the true believers. Like taking a bronze statue of Harry and sticking it knee deep in a tub of hot water with a thermometer in its mouth. High School physics according to Harry and Co. Then we take the real Harry and repeat the experiment. Welcome to the problem of measuring climate change with thermometers and Harry will explain to us all exactly which field of science is the categorical and definitive arbiter of what happened to that thermometer reading in his real mouth. Another international panel of experts in the offing no doubt.

Then the great leap of faith into carbon credit creation and trading = save the planet to the cheers of all the good folk at Morgan Sachs and Co. You know those Goldmen that earned US$552,000 each in 9 months last year (from the janitor to the CEO) from derivatives trading. Never mind the news out of the EU about the millions in scams going down with carbon trading for exactly what? Harry will explain to us all exactly what the results have been to date as world food prices have doubled in a couple of years largely due to sticking the world’s food in our tanks. As for the good folk that come round and whack in some CF light globes and change your shower heads, do a quick calc of the average CO2 savings and nick off with the carbon credits to be traded forever, Harry will explain that too. Never mind if you don’t like the outcome and fill the joint with downlights and change the shower heads back the following week or stand under the shower twice as long, Harry has done the maths for you all and don’t you worry your silly little heads about all that technical stuff. Of course these concerned citizens of the world had the whole gamut of taxation at their fingertips to raise the price of carbon with offsetting tax cuts but did they choose that path? No prizes for guessing why not but Tony Abbott is spelling it out loud and clear now, much to their annoyance.
It was all supposed to be costless as we earned all those low hanging fruit carbon offsets in the third world and could carry on business as usual like Poliwood with their Gulfstream jets and mango tree plantings or whatever. That was until China and India told these wankers where to go at Cope. Even those pro leftists in Beijing understood the problem of trying to control CO2 from central planning as they knew it would be impossible to control their Provinces and no way were they going to lose face over that with international scrutiny. Just like wall to wall Labor can’t sort the MDB within its jurisdiction, yet these tossers want us to believe such daydreams can cut it on the global stage. When I pointed out how straight resource taxing water in the MDB could likely solve the problem there was stony silence from the usual suspects wich leads to the obvious conclusion. These people are not fair dinkum about the environment and sensible market solutions, just quantitative measures and empire building. They believe absolutely in AGW theory because they want everyone to believe in their prescriptions and remedy.
I’ll remain agnostic on AGW theory for the time being, but never on the crusaders of carbon credit creationism. On that I note even John Quiggin is beginning to see the sense in open, honest resource taxation. That could have been argued at Cope but it was never on their hidden agenda and good riddance to that now I say. In the meantime I’ll look forward to these true believers setting the fine example to us all with Kev announcing no public official will be air conditioned on his watch to cheers all round from the affected. Either that or perhaps all those concerned professors quietly applauding as their students willfully put the sledgehammers through the campus aircons. Let the revolution begin in our sandstones eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Streuth Harry, where to start, but here&#8217;s as good a place as any-<br />
<a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/5749853/the-global-warming-guerrillas.thtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/5749853/the-global-warming-guerrillas.thtml</a><br />
Simply put, the AGW theory boys have been cooking the books and indulging in political advocacy with a whole bunch of the usual suspects and they&#8217;ve been caught red handed at it. They were more than happy to ride the political wave with stage managed carpet-baggers like the Goracle but now the MSM have dumped on them they&#8217;re crying foul. They were only thinking of the kiddies&#8217; futures and you know how it is folks?</p>
<p>With the shaft of that hockey stick broken (that &#8216;travesty&#8217; they couldn&#8217;t explain so they hid the proxy decline) the notion that CO2 = warming is just an interesting theory and well umm&#8230;err..we might have missed the &#8216;soot factor&#8217; with those Himalayan glaciers folks. Fancy that think Mackintyre and McKitrick? Oh but it&#8217;s just a matter of simple science say the true believers. Like taking a bronze statue of Harry and sticking it knee deep in a tub of hot water with a thermometer in its mouth. High School physics according to Harry and Co. Then we take the real Harry and repeat the experiment. Welcome to the problem of measuring climate change with thermometers and Harry will explain to us all exactly which field of science is the categorical and definitive arbiter of what happened to that thermometer reading in his real mouth. Another international panel of experts in the offing no doubt.</p>
<p>Then the great leap of faith into carbon credit creation and trading = save the planet to the cheers of all the good folk at Morgan Sachs and Co. You know those Goldmen that earned US$552,000 each in 9 months last year (from the janitor to the CEO) from derivatives trading. Never mind the news out of the EU about the millions in scams going down with carbon trading for exactly what? Harry will explain to us all exactly what the results have been to date as world food prices have doubled in a couple of years largely due to sticking the world’s food in our tanks. As for the good folk that come round and whack in some CF light globes and change your shower heads, do a quick calc of the average CO2 savings and nick off with the carbon credits to be traded forever, Harry will explain that too. Never mind if you don’t like the outcome and fill the joint with downlights and change the shower heads back the following week or stand under the shower twice as long, Harry has done the maths for you all and don’t you worry your silly little heads about all that technical stuff. Of course these concerned citizens of the world had the whole gamut of taxation at their fingertips to raise the price of carbon with offsetting tax cuts but did they choose that path? No prizes for guessing why not but Tony Abbott is spelling it out loud and clear now, much to their annoyance.<br />
It was all supposed to be costless as we earned all those low hanging fruit carbon offsets in the third world and could carry on business as usual like Poliwood with their Gulfstream jets and mango tree plantings or whatever. That was until China and India told these wankers where to go at Cope. Even those pro leftists in Beijing understood the problem of trying to control CO2 from central planning as they knew it would be impossible to control their Provinces and no way were they going to lose face over that with international scrutiny. Just like wall to wall Labor can’t sort the MDB within its jurisdiction, yet these tossers want us to believe such daydreams can cut it on the global stage. When I pointed out how straight resource taxing water in the MDB could likely solve the problem there was stony silence from the usual suspects wich leads to the obvious conclusion. These people are not fair dinkum about the environment and sensible market solutions, just quantitative measures and empire building. They believe absolutely in AGW theory because they want everyone to believe in their prescriptions and remedy.<br />
I’ll remain agnostic on AGW theory for the time being, but never on the crusaders of carbon credit creationism. On that I note even John Quiggin is beginning to see the sense in open, honest resource taxation. That could have been argued at Cope but it was never on their hidden agenda and good riddance to that now I say. In the meantime I’ll look forward to these true believers setting the fine example to us all with Kev announcing no public official will be air conditioned on his watch to cheers all round from the affected. Either that or perhaps all those concerned professors quietly applauding as their students willfully put the sledgehammers through the campus aircons. Let the revolution begin in our sandstones eh?</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great rebuttal, Harry, and it&#039;s disturbing that &lt;i&gt;The Age&lt;/i&gt; didn&#039;t publish it. But I&#039;m surprised they published something so far outside the author&#039;s area of expertise, not to mention so banal in its arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great rebuttal, Harry, and it&#8217;s disturbing that <i>The Age</i> didn&#8217;t publish it. But I&#8217;m surprised they published something so far outside the author&#8217;s area of expertise, not to mention so banal in its arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the saying attributed to George Box &quot;all models are wrong, some are useful&quot;.

Not to be cruel and snobby, but a professor of sociology at La Trobe Uni isn&#039;t very far up the greasy pole of academic seniority, and is not the person I would turn to for anything approaching cliamte change science advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the saying attributed to George Box &#8220;all models are wrong, some are useful&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not to be cruel and snobby, but a professor of sociology at La Trobe Uni isn&#8217;t very far up the greasy pole of academic seniority, and is not the person I would turn to for anything approaching cliamte change science advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were able to get an opinion piece on Weitzman&#039;s fat tails into a major newspaper that would be very cool. There is a very good piece by Andrew Leigh somewhere on the internet that discusses how to write them. A key issue is the first paragraph. I suspect that a &#039;letter to the editor&#039; piece might be more likely to be published than an opinion piece as a response to someone else&#039;s opinion piece.

Interestingly, James Hansen has written a piece called &quot;If It’s That Warm, How Come It’s So Damned Cold?&quot; which demonstrates that it is highly likely that there have been warmer years since 1998.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were able to get an opinion piece on Weitzman&#8217;s fat tails into a major newspaper that would be very cool. There is a very good piece by Andrew Leigh somewhere on the internet that discusses how to write them. A key issue is the first paragraph. I suspect that a &#8216;letter to the editor&#8217; piece might be more likely to be published than an opinion piece as a response to someone else&#8217;s opinion piece.</p>
<p>Interestingly, James Hansen has written a piece called &#8220;If It’s That Warm, How Come It’s So Damned Cold?&#8221; which demonstrates that it is highly likely that there have been warmer years since 1998.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, you can obviously get to professor and still be ignorant. Perhaps he likes models where the counting occurs on your fingers.

It&#039;s funny really -- if you designed a model which predicted the market 1% better than everyone else, you&#039;d be hero, yet somehow if you&#039;re climate model doesn&#039;t explain 99.9% of life, the universe, and everything, you should completely ignore it. And it should definitely be ignored if the average person can&#039;t understand the mathematics behind it. That must make it really bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, you can obviously get to professor and still be ignorant. Perhaps he likes models where the counting occurs on your fingers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny really &#8212; if you designed a model which predicted the market 1% better than everyone else, you&#8217;d be hero, yet somehow if you&#8217;re climate model doesn&#8217;t explain 99.9% of life, the universe, and everything, you should completely ignore it. And it should definitely be ignored if the average person can&#8217;t understand the mathematics behind it. That must make it really bad.</p>
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		<title>By: hc</title>
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		<dc:creator>hc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FXH, That&#039;s right. Its a cheap shot to attack simplified models of complicated situations on the grounds that they lack realism. We teach our first-years that.  Indeed, as Milton Friedman pointed out more than 50 years ago, a good model &lt;b&gt;will be&lt;/b&gt; unrealistic - it will yield a lot of insight from a simplified structure.  Moreover, climate change models are among the most complex in any field - they face relatively intractable computational constraints - so to tackle them on the grounds that they are oversoimplified is doubly foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH, That&#8217;s right. Its a cheap shot to attack simplified models of complicated situations on the grounds that they lack realism. We teach our first-years that.  Indeed, as Milton Friedman pointed out more than 50 years ago, a good model <b>will be</b> unrealistic &#8211; it will yield a lot of insight from a simplified structure.  Moreover, climate change models are among the most complex in any field &#8211; they face relatively intractable computational constraints &#8211; so to tackle them on the grounds that they are oversoimplified is doubly foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: fxh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fxh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re road maps and literal representation: the NYC subway map is a classic easy to use accurate guide to the subway. And a masterpiece of elegant design. But it is in no way a &quot;proper&quot; representation of the literal subway as a photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re road maps and literal representation: the NYC subway map is a classic easy to use accurate guide to the subway. And a masterpiece of elegant design. But it is in no way a &#8220;proper&#8221; representation of the literal subway as a photo.</p>
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