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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/12/11/what-is-sought-in-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-10143</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the folk at MIT with &#039;The Great Climategate Debate&#039; on video get that feeling too-
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/730
Not a bad roundup of the issues after you&#039;ve waded through the intros to get to the panellists but I dropped off with the first questioner and the mic problems. Might be worth persevering with for some questions and the roundup. I still can&#039;t better Michael Crichton&#039;s profound warnings from the grave though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the folk at MIT with &#8216;The Great Climategate Debate&#8217; on video get that feeling too-<br />
<a href="http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/730" rel="nofollow">http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/730</a><br />
Not a bad roundup of the issues after you&#8217;ve waded through the intros to get to the panellists but I dropped off with the first questioner and the mic problems. Might be worth persevering with for some questions and the roundup. I still can&#8217;t better Michael Crichton&#8217;s profound warnings from the grave though.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/12/11/what-is-sought-in-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-10142</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the news from Copenhagen that China is leading the LDC charge against the MDC bloc, the latter&#039;s hopes of their vision splendid are fast evaporating. The former group are taking no prisoners with their demands MDCs live up to their Kyoto promises, pay &#039;sorry&#039; money, drop patents on technological transfer and butt out of their emission affairs. With the MDCs hoping to turn a buck earning carbon offsets in the LDCs they can&#039;t possibly sign on to that now with all these inscrutable Maoists and Nigerian businessmen- http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_51/b4160000488833.htm

That leaves our &#039;Friend of the Chair&#039; Mr Rudd in a most invidious position, some would say with egg all over his face and having to face the angry music back home- http://www.news.com.au/world/australia-may-foot-huge-climate-change-bill-for-china/story-e6frfkyi-1225809806693?from=public_rss
Those severe one way comments similar to banker articles tell the story now. While the locally protected graduazzi are always in a magnanimous mood, with rising interest rates, a doubling of food prices due to past carbon offset policies and continual outsourcing of the battlers&#039; jobs to China and the like, they&#039;re in no mood to subsidise India&#039;s call centres or China&#039;s factories now. Far from it and waiting in the wings to heed their call will be an Abbott led Opposition to remind them all, just as Climategate is breaking all over the MSM after another &#039;PR stunt&#039; and &#039;Munich Agreement&#039; is over. A week or two is a long time in politics they tell me.

There&#039;s another factor that will fuel &#039;Abbotts Army&#039; that&#039;s lying in wait under the surface as they discover they may well have been had by Jones, Mann, et al and all the subsequent limousines and caravan of taxes at Copenhagen. For a long time now they&#039;ve been Bullied, badgered, scolded, proslytised down to and had guilt trips laid on them via the scandalous abuse of their children, nowhere better illustrated than their national broadcaster giving air to one Clive Hamilton&#039;s despicable diatribe and the polls were beginning to show that. But there&#039;s more to it than just that lying under the surface waiting to erupt. That will be the great legacy of Jones and Mann, et al as they turn on academics and science in general for the way so many have degenerated into the intrusive, banal, wankery so many of them have engaged in, nowhere better illustrated than the illustrious Edinburgh academic with- &quot;Dr Dave Reay, a world-renowned expert on carbon emissions, has calculated that filter coffees pump 50 per cent more carbon into the atmosphere than cheaper instant coffees&quot; World renowned indeed and rest easy Galileo, Darwin and Einstein, your legacy is in good hands. Not so easily rested will be the objects of this perpetual drivelling, the moment the opportunity presents itself. In that I get a sense all the planets are about to align.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the news from Copenhagen that China is leading the LDC charge against the MDC bloc, the latter&#8217;s hopes of their vision splendid are fast evaporating. The former group are taking no prisoners with their demands MDCs live up to their Kyoto promises, pay &#8216;sorry&#8217; money, drop patents on technological transfer and butt out of their emission affairs. With the MDCs hoping to turn a buck earning carbon offsets in the LDCs they can&#8217;t possibly sign on to that now with all these inscrutable Maoists and Nigerian businessmen- <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_51/b4160000488833.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_51/b4160000488833.htm</a></p>
<p>That leaves our &#8216;Friend of the Chair&#8217; Mr Rudd in a most invidious position, some would say with egg all over his face and having to face the angry music back home- <a href="http://www.news.com.au/world/australia-may-foot-huge-climate-change-bill-for-china/story-e6frfkyi-1225809806693?from=public_rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/world/australia-may-foot-huge-climate-change-bill-for-china/story-e6frfkyi-1225809806693?from=public_rss</a><br />
Those severe one way comments similar to banker articles tell the story now. While the locally protected graduazzi are always in a magnanimous mood, with rising interest rates, a doubling of food prices due to past carbon offset policies and continual outsourcing of the battlers&#8217; jobs to China and the like, they&#8217;re in no mood to subsidise India&#8217;s call centres or China&#8217;s factories now. Far from it and waiting in the wings to heed their call will be an Abbott led Opposition to remind them all, just as Climategate is breaking all over the MSM after another &#8216;PR stunt&#8217; and &#8216;Munich Agreement&#8217; is over. A week or two is a long time in politics they tell me.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another factor that will fuel &#8216;Abbotts Army&#8217; that&#8217;s lying in wait under the surface as they discover they may well have been had by Jones, Mann, et al and all the subsequent limousines and caravan of taxes at Copenhagen. For a long time now they&#8217;ve been Bullied, badgered, scolded, proslytised down to and had guilt trips laid on them via the scandalous abuse of their children, nowhere better illustrated than their national broadcaster giving air to one Clive Hamilton&#8217;s despicable diatribe and the polls were beginning to show that. But there&#8217;s more to it than just that lying under the surface waiting to erupt. That will be the great legacy of Jones and Mann, et al as they turn on academics and science in general for the way so many have degenerated into the intrusive, banal, wankery so many of them have engaged in, nowhere better illustrated than the illustrious Edinburgh academic with- &#8220;Dr Dave Reay, a world-renowned expert on carbon emissions, has calculated that filter coffees pump 50 per cent more carbon into the atmosphere than cheaper instant coffees&#8221; World renowned indeed and rest easy Galileo, Darwin and Einstein, your legacy is in good hands. Not so easily rested will be the objects of this perpetual drivelling, the moment the opportunity presents itself. In that I get a sense all the planets are about to align.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/12/11/what-is-sought-in-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-10140</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice of management to put out the official company line Harry. Now if they can just keep their pesky employees in line-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html
As I pointed out, with the scent and bleatings of stricken lambs about, the wolf pack media instinct has kicked in and none of them can afford to be left behind if there&#039;s a chance of a kill in the offing. Before Jones took a self imposed sabbatical to contemplate how to best spin the old dog ate the homework line, he divulged the previous week had been the worst week of his life. Just who is going to tell him that was the good news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice of management to put out the official company line Harry. Now if they can just keep their pesky employees in line-<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens&#8211;Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html</a><br />
As I pointed out, with the scent and bleatings of stricken lambs about, the wolf pack media instinct has kicked in and none of them can afford to be left behind if there&#8217;s a chance of a kill in the offing. Before Jones took a self imposed sabbatical to contemplate how to best spin the old dog ate the homework line, he divulged the previous week had been the worst week of his life. Just who is going to tell him that was the good news?</p>
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		<title>By: jedydyery</title>
		<link>http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/12/11/what-is-sought-in-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-10123</link>
		<dc:creator>jedydyery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always searching for brand-new blogposts in the WWW about this issue. Thx!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always searching for brand-new blogposts in the WWW about this issue. Thx!!</p>
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